Jean-Yves Le Gall, President of CNES, France’s national space agency, on its aims beyond tech innovation, to a total rethink of how nation-states approach space, from choosing Mars over the Moon, to supporting startups through their CosmiCapital VC fund. Leading to a future less about launchers and satellites, but emphasising the applications they empower, and his personal advocacy for open-source access to the data they create, as a key for start-up innovations